Say So

Album: yet to be titled (2026)
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Songfacts®:

  • "Say So" was inspired by Dan Smyers and Shay Mooney's loss of a close friend and mentor, Warner Chappell Publishing head Ben Vaughn, who died by suicide in 2025. The song grew out of conversations the two had with friends after Vaughn's death. "It was one of those things where no one saw it coming," Smyers told Variety. "At least we didn't."

    In their note to fans, the duo wrote: "The song is a true story about a friend who we lost not long ago, and we hope it offers strength and encouragement to anyone going through a tough time. The subject matter is heavy, it is serious, it is timely, and it is something we feel is important to talk about."
  • "Say So" pushes the duo into deep emotional territory; they seriously questioned whether it might be too much. "We were going back and forth asking, 'Man, is this song too heavy for Dan + Shay?'" Mooney shared.

    For a duo known largely for love songs, including their smash hits "Tequila" (2018) and "10,000 Hours" (2019, with Justin Bieber), the shift in tone gave them real pause, not just about their sound, but about how fans might receive something so personal.
  • Both Smyers and Mooney said the subject matter isn't distant for them.

    "I've personally dealt with mental health stuff over the last few years, more so than ever," Smyers said.

    "We battle a lot of stuff inside and outside of ourselves," Mooney added. "No matter what it looks like on the outside, you never know what somebody's battling with on the inside."
  • The track doesn't stay in the darkness. The opening verse reflects their friend's story, but the rest of the song is meant to offer hope. "We were just like, 'Man, I wish we would've known. I wish we could have reminded him that there's always somebody on the other line,'" Smyers said.

    The title - "Say So" - is a direct call to action, urging us to reach out when we're struggling.
  • Dan Smyers and Shay Mooney wrote the song with Jimmy Robbins, and David Hodges during a concentrated creative period in Nashville.

    Jimmy Robbins is a Nashville-based singer-songwriter and producer who has become one of country music's most in-demand behind-the-scenes talents, with major cuts for artists like Maren Morris (The Bones") and Kelsea Ballerini ("Half of My Hometown").

    David Hodges is a songwriter and producer perhaps best known as a founding member of Evanescence, who has since reinvented himself as one of Nashville's most prolific hitmakers, penning songs for artists including Carrie Underwood ("The Girl You Think I Am"), and Rascal Flatts ("Back To Us"), alongside collaborations with pop stars such as Ed Sheeran ("Afterglow") and Pink ("When I Get There").
  • Dan Smyers and Lewis Cater (Cobra Starship, Shinedown) directed the music video. It opens with a content warning about the themes of suicide and depression and advises viewer discretion. The visual narrative follows Mooney being arrested for vandalism. We later discover he had spray-painted a message of hope on a wall reading: "If You Need Somebody Say So," after he and Smyers had mourned the loss of their friend. The storytelling format fits a song that is as much a public statement as it is a personal tribute.

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