Seventy Times 7

Album: Your Favorite Weapon (2001)
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  • The was written about a falling out between best friends. Lead singer Jesse Lacey had been best friends with then Taking Back Sunday guitarist/singer John Nolan (who has left the band) since grade school. Lacey's girlfriend at the time cheated on him with Nolan. John called Jesse, and the last words that Jesse spoke to him were, "You're as subtle as a brick on the small of my back so lets end this call and end this conversation" and hung up. That was the last time they spoke and then years later Brand New added it as lyrics to their song "Seventy Times 7" which is about what happened and his feelings toward Nolan. Taking Back Sunday then came out with the song "There's No 'I' In Team," which expresses John's side of the story. In "There's No 'I' In Team," he says, "What I can't regret, can't you just forget it?" which shows how he wants to get past was happened between them. >>
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Comments: 67

  • Patrick from Massachusetts, MaThe real story, as told by TAKING BACK SUNDAY:
    (Source "http://youtu.be/8uetkZlGoRA" (Youtube video))

    "Johnny and Jessie liked a girl,
    Johnny made out with a girl before Jessie did.
    Jessie got bummed about it and all these songs happened because of it".

    No Sex, No Girlfriends, No Sisters. No Cheating

    A couple of High School kids getting mad at each other because someone made out with someone else.
    Now that you know what really happened, and there is no denying it.
    It came from their mouths, don't look for their story in song lyrics,
    look for your own story, take their words and piece together your own puzzle
    from your own life. that is what music is about.
    Your own personal connection with written lyrics
    Is always going to be way more interesting than someone else's.
  • Danielle from Merrick, NyCaroline from Long Island, you're wrong. I live in Merrick and Brian, the drummer of Brand New, lives on my block. he told me what happened and what people are saying is pretty accurrate so I don't know why you're telling people they "don't know the half of it" when I know exactly what happened. Smh.
  • Gallagher from Cleveland, OhJesse played Bass and Backing Vox in Taking Back sunday. John Nolan did things with Jesse's Girlfriend. Causing Jesse to leave Taking Back Sunday. Jesse then started brand new. Adam Lazzara then joined the band to replace Jesse. Adam moved up to Lead after Antonio Left. Nolan wrote There is No I in Team as a response to not only this but also The Shower Scene. in the shower scene states "It's time for you to choose, the Bullet or the Chapstick" Nolan's response was the bullet, ...Best friends means i pull the trigger anyone?. They did make up, but this is just a very powerful song, and a hard situation to be in.
  • Shawn from Auburn, Waall of you guys are retarded. jesse WAS in taking back sunday. if you dont believe so then wiki it. jesse's girlfriend and john never had sex. but they would hang out all the time and kissed. i mean they're not just going to get it on while jesse is in the kitchen. after jesse found out he left the band and adam replaced him. thus began brand new. jesse wrote a song about the incident. hence seventy times 7. john then came back with theres no I in team pretty much calling jesse out. the song is pretty aggressive. and they take the youre the small on my back quote and give it a mocking tone. but over time grudges pass and jesse and john made up. thats why if you youtube the song theres one where jesse comes on stage and helps sing theres no i in team and they combine the names of both the songs. THEN tanya from north babylon NY. adam slept with JOHNS sister which was pretty much a one night stand and so john left and made straylight run with his sister. and since jesse and john are friends again. brand new came out with the sweatshirt mics are for singing not swinging (even though its pretty cool when adam does it) in order to stick up for john.
  • Sivy from Austin, TxFIrts of all, yes jesse was on TBS as bassis and back up vocalist...listen to "go on" and "summer stars" by taking back sunday and you can hear jesse. but jesse left(becouse of the whole girl fight) and adam replaced him....later anthonio left and adam moved up to singer and some guy nemad Shaun became the new bassis...so who ever said they all played together, they didnt. bu tmy question is....whos this girl??? and how does she feel about it all???
  • Cherry from London, United KingdomJesse Lacey was in tbs for a short period. He played bass and did backing vocals. They have spoken since, even performed together.
  • Josh from Houck, IdJessie was never in TBS, John Nolan was on the other hand. Jessie was in Brand New not TBS. This song along with the Shower Scene is about John sleeping with Jessie's girlfriend. The Shower Scene is Jessie letting go and asking John to pick the girl or their friendship. There's no "I" in team is a response to both of these songs. Also, TBS answers Jessie in it by choosing their friendship "best friend since I pulled the trigger" answers Jessie's question. Look up the lyrics and the chorus of The Shower Scene is Jessie's question.
  • Tanya from North Babylon, NyALL RIGHT. Let's set the record f--king straight, so here we go.
    First, I don't know if Jesse Lacey was EVER in TBS but he was really good friends with Nolan. Then Nolan slept with Jesse's SISTER, not ex girlfriend. And cheated on her.
    Seventy Times Seven was basically a tribute to that. When he goes "Hanging out in the kitchen thinking that you never would..." He's talking about how he never thought that John would go there with his sister and stuff. So when it happened, Jesse and John got in a fight over it. Over the phone Jesse said the infamous line "Is that what you call tact, you're as subtle as a brick in the small of my back so let's end this call and end this conversation." and that's used in the Brand New song Seventy Times Seven and later quoted in a Taking Back Sunday song.
  • James from Hilliard, FlThe title of this song comes from a scripture in the bible, Matthew 18:21-22, where Jesus tells Peter how many times his brother will sin against him. Peter asks "Is it seven?" and Jesus replies "Not seven, but seventy times seven."
  • Ashleigh from Salisbury, Maokay "Caroline, Long Island, NY" you hot shot if you know what happened then tell us since you knowwwww matt rubano and all........
  • Ctuf from Paramus, NjJesse Lacey who is now currently the lead singer of Brand New was in Taking Back Sunday at one point in time. He was the back up singer and played bass so this is not a myth. But Adam definetly wasnt the lead singer at the time. He left the band after the controversy between him and John Nolan whom he was best friend with since they were in elementary school< cheated with laceys girlfriend which started the fued between songwriters, more like a conversation between songs back and forth. After he left the band he formed a semi hardcore band called the rookie lot with a member from the movielife. Since the whole thing with nolan and lacey Brand New and Straylight run have toured together, and are now friends or maybe " friendly to one another".
  • Olivia from Huddersfield, United KingdomJesse Lacey HAS been in Taking Back Sunday, but only in their first EP as a bassist and backing vocalist. Don't believe me? Check Wikipedia. When Antonio got kicked out he left and started The Rookie Lot and then Brand New.

    This song is about Jesse's feelings towards his John Nolan, who slept with his girlfriend in high school. There's No 'I' in Team is a response to it, which is why some of the same lyrics are used.

    'Is that what you call tact? 'Cos I swear you're as subtle as a brick in the small of my back, so let's end this call and end this conversation' were Jesse's parting words to John over the phone, which is why they're featured in both songs.

    However, both are friends again now and have put everything aside :). I hope that's cleared everything up x].
  • Josh from West Jordan, UtThe title Seventy Times Seven comes from the Bible. Basically what the verse means is that you should forgive you an infinite number of times if they are truly sorry. The song seems to go in the totally opposite direction on several occasions.
  • Matthew from Stockton, United KingdomJesse was in TBS during their first ep, he played bass and sang backing vocals, check it on wikipedia!
    i even have that ep and its great
  • Doug from Darien, CtThis song is def about the problems between jesse and john early in the bands careers. This is what gave them their seperate identities, and if you listen to any brand new lyrics and then listen to any taking back sunday lyrics, its likely that your going to find that they are closely related, especially this song and "theres no i in team" Also the similarities are clear because jesse was freinds with all the TBS guys and played bass on an EP with them. He then left after Antonio Luongo was kicked out. While nolan and lazzarra would continue TBS, jesse went on to make the rookie lot and then later brand new.

    both bands kick ass
    big time
  • John from Reading, PaAlright, Check this out: Jessie was never in TBS I mean NEVER... he was in his own band called the Rookielot. But now he is Brand New making us all smile. so shut up about th speculation. Just enjoy his music and shut up about the bullcrap
  • Anthony from Trainer, Paok Lacey was in TBS, and him and John were best friends and everything in the top post is pretty much correct but they have spoken and even performed together since then, but I'm glad it happened between them because if not for that they wouldve never wrote this song and theres no i in team
  • Cherie from Kingsville, Canadaokay well first off, i've looked at a lot of stuff that was wrote about the feud between the two bands. and not one of them stated that jesse lacey(brand new) was ever in taking back sunday. and it never says it on the one thing where it states all of taking back sunday's present and past members. so i do not believe he was in taking back sunday.
  • Patrick from Franklin, MaAll of you people are looking way to into this jesus christ its not that hard
  • Shelby from Long Island, Nywell, i know someone who knows Adam and he said he never any of thgis existed. And, i know someone who knows Matt, and they said the same thing... Although, I know it's true. Ah, the greatness of Long Island. :D
  • Shelby from Long Island, Ny-hemhem- the lyrics say

    Wrote a message on my pillow that says
    "Jesse, stay asleep in bed"
  • Caleb from Zephyrhills, FlOK let me clear this up Jesse was in taking back Sunday he left to start his own thing that's where brand new came along now the thing did happen with john and him but they have talked since if u go on youtube and watch videos of them u can find them live playing both of these song tbs with Jesse and brand new with john and in bot songs it says "is that what u call tact Ur as subtle as a brick on the small of my back so lets end this call and end this conversation" and then says "have another drink and drive Ur self home i hope there's ice on all the roads and u think of me when u forget Ur seatbelt and again when Ur head gos through the windshield" but this all doesn't really mad bc now we have two amazing bands to listen to instead of only one.
  • Ross from Philadelphia, PaI don't think Jesse was ever in Taking Back Sunday, I could be wrong but him, brian and garret were all in The Rookie Lot prior to Brand New
  • Charlene from Maryville, Tnyes, this song does have to do with the fight with jesse and john, but also the verse in the bible. the bible says that if you are mad at someone you should not just forgive them once, or seven times, or seventy times, but seventy times seven
  • Jack from Søborg, DenmarkUhm, I don't really know much about what happened with the band, But I DO KNOW THE LYRICS.

    "And is that what you call tact?
    You're as subtle as a brick in the small of my back.
    So let's end this call, and end this conversation." is clear for all to hear, but "Have another drink and drive yourself home. I hope there's ice on all the roads.And you can think of me when you forget your seatbelt,And again when your head goes through the windshield." Is very unclear in "There's No "I" In Team" but it is 100% certain that it is there. (found that out by removing some track layers and finaly got the layer where u can hear that only)
  • Cat from Bethel, CoSo i'm a bit confused.... Heres what i think i know: Jessi, john, and Adam are all in TBS and friends- John sleeps w/ Jesse's girlfriend- jesse gets pissed-leves beand- john leaves band- jesse writes 70x7- tbs writes theres no "i" in team- but now everyones made up

    does that sound right???
  • Chris from Tampa Bay, Flwell then caroline from long island, tell us the story lol
  • Caroline from Long Island, NyOk, I actually know Matt Rubano from Taking Back Sunday, and although he was not in the band when this all happened, he knows the story, and he told me, and you guys don't know the half of it, it is way more complicated tham=n what you are all saying.
  • Brandon from Henderson, Nvwow i was very wrong, i thought seventy times seven referred to john 7-7 in the bible (cuz john was the friends name) but it too fits... i love this song and find it to be so interesting.
  • Mer from Long Island, Nyyes you're all correct about the falling out between Jesse and John. my cousins knows them personally so i've heard the whole story.


    ps thanks for the insightful comment regarding the connection between the bible and the song title
  • Emma from Berlin, CtI absolutely love how complex Brand New can be, and I love trying to figure them out. This song, and its whole involvement with TBS is amazing.
  • Daniel from Suwanee, GaJeeze man, reading these comments and talking about all Brand New's songs, all their songs are freakin insanely powerful and has tricky lyrics and meanings behind everything, I love Brand New x70x7
  • Tj from Easton, PaSome harsh words. Man, did Jessie really hate John at the time.
  • Adam from Long Island, Nyhopefully this helps people out

    jesse and john were friends then john hooked up with jesse's girl. this song has nothing to do with adam at all. adam later went out with john nolans sister which was one of the factor in john and shaun leaving tbs to start straylight run. adam played bass in taking back sunday and so did jesse lacey. Eddie and john were the orginal memebers of the band. so this song is about jesse being pissed at john and tell his side of the story. this probably occur aleast 5 years at this point. And john has came out and sang seventy times seven aleast five times too, so there is no harsh feelings and john and jesse are friends again and everybody is happy.
    Also somebody was saying they wrote lyrics or whatever, its called the long island writers pool i believe and its a bunch of long island bands that share lyrics that they dont like or feel it fits the song. the majority of your favorite tbs lines from tell all your friends are from that group
  • Sarah from Castro Valley, CaOK, Ryan (second comment from top), hate to break it to ya, buddy but you're wrong about the "and again when your head goes through the windshield". I know Jesse and I have heard him sing it in person, I have also read the lyrics and talked to him about them. So yes it is "and again when your head goes through the winshield".
  • Jake from London, Englanderr... why is everyone getting all the names wrong?

    adam slept with jesse's girlfriend of seven years... so jesse left and pissed off john for leaving...
    then adam slept with michelle nolan (john's sister and bandmate in straylight run) which pissed off john and forced him to leave TBS, by this time john had forgiven jesse for leaving TBS, and started straylight run...

    thats why straylight run and brand new tour together, john had sex with no-one... it was all adam's fault!
  • Ryan from Botwood, Canadaumm Ash, Lisa, and Max, you're all wrong. "and then when your head goes through the windsheild" isn't in there at all. John is actually screaming "I swear you have no idea, the jealousy that became me thinking that you always had it way to easy". It does sound alike but i have seen this lyric on a few sites and im 100% sure it's right. and the title does come from the bible, which i think is cool because Play Crack The Sky's metaphors come almost directly from the bible too. and to Jessie from San Fran, Your Favorite Weapon came out not years, but months before Tell all Your Friends. and thats all.
  • West from Columbus, Gaomg that explains it!!! i was wondering why in "There's no "I" in team" i heard "You're as subtle as a brick on the small of my back so lets end this call and end this conversation" in the background....

    WHOA!!!


    Brand nizzle rox my sox off and makes them do the hockey pockey...
  • Max from Gothenburg, SwedenI love you all! my friend and i have been looking all over everything for more info on this whole story and now I found this page.. thank you guys.. and yeah jim, england, from what I know all three of em, jesse, john and adam all were in TBS at the beginning. and yes Lisa and Ash the and again when your head goes through the windshield part is in there's no I in team =) <3
  • Forrest from Normal, IlActually Ash, Lisa is right. Like 2:35 seconds into the song (there's no I in team) you can hear it in the background if you listen closely.
  • Matt from Guildford, EnglandI've got a video of taking back sunday performing There's no I in team with jesse lacey from Brand New - so I take it they've put their differences aside
  • Ash from Citrus Springs, FlTo Lisa: The "And you can think of me when you forget your seatbelt and again when your head goes through the window" line is only in Seventy Times 7...
  • Lauren from Fair Lawn, Nj"all i know is jesse and john used to be in a little group thing with other people from long island where they would collaborate on poetry/songs/lyrics together, so that would explain any similarities." I don't know if this is what you mean, but they were in a band called The Rookie Lot. And if you listen to the new TBS, Where You Want To Be, you will find that it is not as similar to Brand New as TBS' first album, Tell All Your Friends, is. That is probably because John Nolan left to form Straylight Run after TAYF.
  • Jim <3 from England, EnglandJohn Nolan, Jesse Lacey and Adam Lazzara were all in TBS to start then John slept with Jesses girlfriend and Jesse left TBS and made Strayflight run o whatever theyre called and then Jesse left and made brand new and their first hit was Seventy times seven which was wrote about the whole john nolan thing and then john and adam responded with theres no 'i' in team which uses the same lyrics 'is that what you call tact...' 'best friends means...'etc etc. And TBS and Brand new use lyrics in other songs too but i cant really think of any off the top of my head....oooh and i met adam lazzara too and he said hey :D and i saw TBS and Brand new :D and then one time TBS played a gig and they played there no 'i' in team and jesse came on and sang mike from TBS part...which is cool :D
  • April from Houston, TxBrand New as well as Taking Back Sunday are amazing bands. But this information is not accurate. Taking Back Sunday's CD, Tell All Your Friends, featuring Theres No ''I'' In Team was released over a year before Brand New's Your Favorite Weapon. Apparently this battle will never be solved unless spoken by Nolan or Lacey themselves.
  • Kevin from Toronto, Canadasorry "blames John" no adam, I was jsut thinking about the other guys name
  • Kevin from Toronto, Canadato Adam : I do not think it means that he blames Adam cause the very last line says "best friend thinks I pulled the trigger, best friend thinks you get what you deserve" in the TBS song. I think he just means Jessie blames John for everything that happened, even though it wasn't just him. Cause he believes the girl is also to blame. I also heard something about John wrote the song in reply because when he did what he did, he did it to show his best friend that the girl would be with anyone, he wasnt anymore to her than anyone else was.
  • Angie from Lansing, Miaww I hope they made up.
  • Adam from North Bay, CanadaAt end of the TBS song it goes "Best friends means i
    pull the trigger, best friends means you get what you deserve" does this mean that John blamed Jessie for what had happend?
  • Rick from Anderson, InI think that when someone says "I've got a twenty dollar bill that says..." they mean "I bet..." Think about it. I think it's just a saying.
    About the "Think of me when you forget your seatbelt...", that's not in "There's No 'I' In Team". But both songs in fact have "Is this what you call tact..." in them.
  • Vanessa from Las Vegas, CaWhere is "And you can think of me when you forget your seatbelt and again when your head goes through the windshield" in "There's No 'I' in 'Team'"?
  • Nicole from Vernon, NyI love this song so much it is the best!







    So awesome, I love it.. MyTragicDeath@hotmail.com

    AIM: Imwalruschrpchrp
  • Jessie from San Francisco, Caall i know is jesse and john used to be in a little group thing with other people from long island where they would collaborate on poetry/songs/lyrics together, so that would explain any similarities. and seventy times 7 is on your favorite weapon which came out a few years before tell all your friends.
    also when brand new used to play 70x7 live they added the chorus of the tbs song.
  • Ross from Philadelphia, PaI think by "Ignore the sun, covers over my head Wrote a message on my pillow that says "Jesse, stay asleep in bed" Don't apologize (I hope you choke and die!) Search your cell for something which to hang yourself" he's just saying that after it happened he was really upset and just wanted to keep to himself
  • Bryan Buse from Wimberley, Txwhat is he talkin about when he says "Ignore the sun, covers over my head
    Wrote a message on my pillow that says
    "Jesse, stay asleep in bed"
    Don't apologize (I hope you choke and die!)
    Search your cell for something which to hang yourself"
  • Jenndogg from Bestford, MaYeahhh, John and Jess are definitely still bffs. And I hear they are writing a song together sometime soon.
  • K from Bellingham, Waif you read through the album credits from both bands debut albums, you will find thanks to and from jesse and john, so obviously they have both made up with each other, and since both albums came out at roughly the same time, there was collaboration between the two friends in writing the songs.
  • Todd from Roswell, GaI can't remember all of it, but there's an entire passage from the TBS song sung fairly quitely in the background at one point in this song. You can barely hear him start when the "that's right he said it" comes in. It goes "have another drink and drive yourself home, I hope there's ice on all the roads and you can think of me when you forget your seatbelt and again when your head goes through the windshield. Or maybe that's in the TBS song. It's been a while, so I can't really remember.
  • Jillian from Staten Island, NyThe bible verse being referenced in this song is Matthew 18:21-23 (from the New Revised Standard Version of the Holy Bible)
    "Then Peter came and said to him, "Lord, if another member of the church sins against me, how oft should I forgive? As many as seven times?" Jesus said to him, "Not seven times, but, I tell you, seventy times seven times.""

    Clearly, this is an angry song about the feud between Jesse and John. It is also, however, a song that underneath shows a man longing to be able to forgive, and the pain that he is feeling because of his inability to do so.
  • Lisa from Houston, TxJust wanted to add that the lyrics "And you can think of me when you forget your seatbelt
    and again when your head goes through the windshield" are also found in both Seventy Times Seven and There's no "I" in Team.
  • Alatriel from Lothlorien, Otheroh and a note to marcus: yeah they do say that line in "there's no 'i' in team". one of the guys says it while the other repeats over and over "that's right he said/that's right he said it"
  • Alatriel from Lothlorien, Otheryeah of course "there's no 'i' in team" is related to this.
  • Dane from Fenton, MoIn the bible, Jesus is asked how many times must a man forgive his neighbor... his reply is not seven, but seventy times seven. In the bible, seven is the number of completion. It seems as though, although the lyrics are quite an attack, there remains a willingness to forgive. Just my input.
  • Marcus from Royersford, PaBreena, you got your songs mixed up. It was the Brand New song they said, "Is this what you call tact? I swear you're as subtle as a brick in the small of my back so let's end this call, and end this conversation"
  • Meg from Visalia, CaA reference to the bible is in the title of Seventy times 7. Jesse has lived a pretty moral life and so he would refer to that. It is from a story of one of the apostles asking Jesus how many times he should forgive someone. And Jesus replies "Seventy times 7 times." But he really meant as many times as necessary.
  • Desi from Windsor, CanadaOk from what I know, John had cheated with Jesse's girlfriend at the time. Needless to say there was a very bitter feud. Jesse wrote this song as a way to sort of jab at John and There's no I in Team was written as a response song to Seventy times 7. A side note, the title of this song is reffering to something in the Bible aout forgiveness. Im not a religious person so I dont really know much about the quote.
  • Breena from Salem, MsWell I did a little research on the previous entry and well I get what he's saying but there's a few things I'd like to state:

    In the song 'There's No "I" IN Team' Taking Back sunday says: Is this what you call tact?
    I swear you're as subtle as a brick in the small of my back
    so let's end this call,
    and end this conversation

    And so does Brand NEw in Seventy Times 7

    And also in the same song 'There's No "I" In Team
    T.B.S. says: And I've got a twenty-dollar bill
    that says you're up late night starting

    And again this line is stated in 'Mix Tape' by Brand New :I got a twenty-dollar bill
    That says no one's ever seen you without makeup.


    Strange but so true!!!!!
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